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RE: Coolite v1 release date

vladsch — Wed, 31 Mar 2010 09:39:00 GMT

Hi,

Please see

http://www.coolite.com/forums/Topic30294-7-1.aspx

RE: Coolite v1 release date

koss — Mon, 22 Feb 2010 14:04:49 GMT

Like I said, examples are nice but I am one of those niche case where many of the examples don't cover; I need comprehensive documentation. Many of my inquires in the forum went unanswered and I ended up finding the answer myself for some of them. Then again, I can't expect the Coolite team to sit and wait for me either.

Given I am using the GPL-Licensed version, I can't really complain thatI don't get sufficient documentation or support. I've only mentionedthis for the sake of Coolite's future so that more developers wouldadopt Coolite. I am only grateful for the Coolite team and wish for their success.

I am trying to get my procurement department to purchase the paid version of Coolite with support, but having trouble getting the paperwork through.. Hopefully it would go through soon!

RE: Coolite v1 release date

jchau — Mon, 22 Feb 2010 06:05:09 GMT

The ExtJS forum and tutorials are also very helpful. Most of the time, I find answers to my questions on ExtJS and just have to apply it to Coolite.

Best way to search ExtJS forum is using google plus "site:extjs.com". So a search would be like: "gridpanel selection site:extjs.com" .

RE: Coolite v1 release date

UGRev — Sun, 21 Feb 2010 06:26:51 GMT

I wish I could say that my deadlines were moot. That is just not an option... The examples, while useful when I started, quickly became useless with the high level of complexity involved our application. They rendered themselves useful in a sense that I can reference them as far as what control is best for which type of layout or control needed but it ended there.

RE: Coolite v1 release date

macap — Sun, 21 Feb 2010 02:38:15 GMT

Full ACK Michael!

RE: Coolite v1 release date

michaeld@vipmail.com — Sat, 20 Feb 2010 20:11:35 GMT

On the topic of documentation, I will say only that if I knew the release of version 1.0 was being delayed because documentation was a priority to be written before releasing, and it was going to cost us to wait even one more additional day, I'd much rather hear that 1.0 would be released as early as possible without documentation and released later as a separate download.

Besides, as valid as our friend's comment about documentation was above, we've all had to walk the same learning curve, and though documentation may have helped us along the way, it's definitely not the end all cure for the coding challenges faced daily. The examples have been 20 times more useful to me anyway. Moreover, the extjs documentation rides close enough on the UI side that even our friend above couldn't discount it.

When it comes right down to it, I'd much rather see a company like PACKT Publishing who wrote the Ext JS Cookbooks get onboard with Coolite and fill in the gaps. http://www.packtpub.com/ext-js-3-0-cookbook

I've got deadlines too. I'm 2 months behind, but until 1.0 is released, all deadlines are moot and documentation with the latest rev is lowest priority.

Just my contrarian 2 cents.

RE: Coolite v1 release date

UGRev — Sat, 20 Feb 2010 14:18:56 GMT

Thank you, Geoffrey.

RE: Coolite v1 release date

geoffrey.mcgill — Sat, 20 Feb 2010 13:08:36 GMT

I should mention, if you need an immediate answer, please feel free to contact me on Skype (geoffrey.mcgill).

Chat is best, but I can talk sometimes (I'll let you know if I can't).

Just one comment... the majority of time, technical support issues require a code sample and some thinking time for us to completely understand the problem/scenario. The forums are the best place to post these discussions as the answer could help others in the future. That said, please feel free to contact me and I'll be more than happy to assist.

RE: Coolite v1 release date

UGRev — Sat, 20 Feb 2010 11:56:11 GMT

Could I imagine not getting a snide remark from the people who depend on us for revenue?
I don't normally ask questions on the forum because it takes too long to get a response. I can't wait 1 hour for a reply when I have 2 hours to complete a task. Besides, without the .NET framework.. you wouldn't have Coolite for .NET.. so thank you Microsoft?

Look, I'm not here for a pissing match. I just want to be able to look up what I need and not have to depend on you guys to help me solve every quirk I run into because I'm not a forum dweller and I don't have full knowledge of the Coolite framework.

Documentation, pretty please?

RE: Coolite v1 release date

Timothy — Sat, 20 Feb 2010 11:54:27 GMT

[quote][b]geoffrey.mcgill (2/20/2010)[/b][hr]

snip snip ...

Could you imagine if we had the resources of Microsoft?

[/quote]

You mean you haven't found a Xerox you can clone vladsch with? :]

RE: Coolite v1 release date

state — Sat, 20 Feb 2010 11:29:11 GMT

Geoffrey,

I say, take your time. I want a solid product and not having much documentation isn't that much of hinderance. I mean, you guys answer questions super fast on the forums, so it's not like we're not getting our projects done.

Yeah, if you guys had the resources on Microsoft, we'd be on version 4.0 and NO contact with developers or designers of the package. Oh, did I mention that it would cost $40 an incident too?

So I'm counting my blessings...

RE: Coolite v1 release date

geoffrey.mcgill — Sat, 20 Feb 2010 11:16:44 GMT

Sure, I agree with everything you're saying. We're working on it and it is a huge priority.

[quote]Could you imagine .NET shipping without an API doc repository? or only half finished?[/quote]

Could you imagine if we had the resources of Microsoft?

RE: Coolite v1 release date

UGRev — Sat, 20 Feb 2010 10:38:24 GMT

Depends on your time lines I suppose. If I have to stop to ask a question and wait, even 1 hour for a reply when 1 paragraph in an API doc would answer my question and save the coolite support folks time and not waste mine, then it's win/win. Could you imagine .NET shipping without an API doc repository? or only half finished? there wouldn't be very many .NET dev's around, that's for sure.

RE: Coolite v1 release date

macap — Sat, 20 Feb 2010 10:10:08 GMT

Well I cannot agree 100%.

The examples plus the ExtJS API is fine.

When I run into trouble I ask here in the board and always get a fast and helpful answer.

But all in all any.... More documentation won´t be bad of course.
I only wanted to say that I do not really need it to get happy with Coolite.

RE: Coolite v1 release date

UGRev — Sat, 20 Feb 2010 09:53:38 GMT

Hey Koss. I'm in the same boat as you. I came from a 80% C# 20% client side type of projects and now I'm doing at least 50/50 using Coolite and I'm having one HELL of a time with the product. Things that I can find in the Ext.js API docs help, but then there's things in Coolite that, well...without documentation, I don't know how I can possibly know about them without A LOT of digging (and even that is not enough) and that's wasted my time more than once and the boss isn't happy at all. I would rather have SOME prelim documentation, even if it wasn't complete.. just something.. ANYTHING that has more information on what's available to use on these controls and how they work. I blew my last deadline big time because of this and no one is happy about it at the moment.

We're depending on you guys to give us the information we need to be successful with your product and you're failing us miserably by not providing it in tandem. Please.. please.. please get us SOMETHING; throw us a bone here.

RE: Coolite v1 release date

koss — Thu, 18 Feb 2010 07:28:56 GMT

[quote][b]wmj (2/4/2010)[/b][hr]If I remember correctly, V1 was going to have more extensive doc with it.[/quote]

As somebody who was required to learn Coolite BEFORE learning ext/js (and still struggling), this is a HUGE deal for me. I've found Coolite sorely lacking in terms of "complete" reference and documentation. Examples are nice but they do not cover everything. API docs have little or no description and does not document the markups.

Since we are already in the second half of February, you guys might as well change the "Version 1.0 available~Jan 2010" title to "Version 1.0 available Q1" to give better expectations.

RE: Coolite v1 release date

fancycloud — Thu, 18 Feb 2010 04:28:45 GMT

Hi,Geoffrey McGill
Can you Give a Date When it will release.thanks

RE: Coolite v1 release date

geoffrey.mcgill — Wed, 10 Feb 2010 07:28:59 GMT

The v1.0 release will include Ext JS v3.1.1.

We're very close. I apologize for the delay.

RE: Coolite v1 release date

macap — Wed, 10 Feb 2010 05:40:27 GMT

[quote][b]fancycloud (2/1/2010)[/b][hr] Hi,I Want to Know when the V1.0 Will Release.
And The V1.0 FrameWork Will Use Extjs 3.0 or Extjs 3.1?[/quote]

AFAIK it will be released with ExtJS 3.1 or even ExtJS 3.1.1

RE: Coolite v1 release date

principal_X — Tue, 09 Feb 2010 09:20:50 GMT

In the same boat too. What the latest??????

RE: Coolite v1 release date

Bruno Nogueira — Tue, 09 Feb 2010 07:26:53 GMT

Any new info???

RE: Coolite v1 release date

juane66 — Tue, 09 Feb 2010 04:49:36 GMT

[quote][b]sharif (2/2/2010)[/b][hr]

We are in the same boat. We are waiting on a word when V1.0 will be released

[/quote]

Any news about this?

RE: Coolite v1 release date

wmj — Thu, 04 Feb 2010 11:04:03 GMT

If I remember correctly, V1 was going to have more extensive doc with it. Any chance you would release the doc ahead of the code so people could get familiar with the changes

RE: Coolite v1 release date

sharif — Wed, 03 Feb 2010 05:42:34 GMT

Geoffrey,

Do you have rough estimate which month V1.0 community version will be released? It will be really helpful

Thank you

RE: Coolite v1 release date

sharif — Tue, 02 Feb 2010 04:55:52 GMT

We are in the same boat. We are waiting on a word when V1.0 will be released

RE: Coolite v1 release date

fancycloud — Mon, 01 Feb 2010 19:10:26 GMT

Hi,I Want to Know when the V1.0 Will Release.
And The V1.0 FrameWork Will Use Extjs 3.0 or Extjs 3.1?

RE: Coolite v1 release date

ys.liew — Mon, 01 Feb 2010 18:53:45 GMT

Hi all,

Thanks for the above opinions. My company is yet to decide between Coolite, Telerik and Devexpress.

http://www.coolite.com/forums/Topic24422-7-1.aspx

Besides, how about dynamic interface? Eg. the screen settings (controls) are stored in database and Coolite will generate the interface based on the settings, is that achievable in v1 release?

Thanks.

RE: Coolite v1 release date

vladsch — Mon, 01 Feb 2010 12:30:04 GMT

Hi,

Here is theme generator. Generated theme can be easly applied to an application (just add css file)

http://playground.ideashs.com/themescolor/

Also here is a link to the ExtJS forum topic related with that generator

http://www.extjs.com/forum/showthread.php?t=66446

RE: Coolite v1 release date

jsemple — Mon, 01 Feb 2010 12:25:20 GMT

I love Coolite too, but I wish there was a way to override the "ice blue" theme embedded in everything, if custom themes/colors could be adopted, this would be great for v1.

RE: Coolite v1 release date

randy85253 — Mon, 01 Feb 2010 12:19:19 GMT

Speaking of reduceing the number of libraries, one advantage I found with Coolite is that I only have to render one script manager / js library to the client. I was impressed that I was able to go straight from Ext.Ajax to .Net.WCF and back, and it eaisly marshaled pretty complex data without the need of any ms.ajax libraries.

RE: Coolite v1 release date

jchau — Mon, 01 Feb 2010 10:25:51 GMT

We also converted from Telerik to Coolite and very happy with the change. However, I do want to point out that while the transferred page size is smaller with Coolite, the number of DOM elements can be much bigger after rendering. Since the DOM elements are created dynamically, we don't really notice unless you are looking at the rendered html in a debugger console. Simple controls are often wrapped with divs and more divs. Go ahead and take a look at the rendered DOM elements for a GridPanel. Each row is a separate table. Not trying to discourage anyone from using Coolite as I think it's a great framework. Telerik, Infragistics, ComponentOne, even Coolite....they are all limited by HTML and Javascript.

RE: Coolite v1 release date

state — Mon, 01 Feb 2010 10:10:44 GMT

I have to agree. The day we dropped Telerik and Infragistics (which, by the way, I think is WORSE than Telerik), I did a little dance in the office, too! I think both the Telerik and Infragistics controls are SO SO SO bloated. We were expecting SOME code bloat, but not as much as these controls created.

Stick a couple grids on an Infragisitcs page, and your up above 200k for total page size. The examples these companies provide are great for showing functionality, but when you get into to real world apps, we found out the hard way that they aren't very useful, especially if page size and render speed are important.

Hey, hindsight is 20/20, I guess.

RE: Coolite v1 release date

Timothy — Mon, 01 Feb 2010 09:45:40 GMT

Our company has recently dropped the support for a 25 bulk license with Telerik and we are currently using MVC with jQuery. We are now evaluating the usage of Coolite with ASP.NET Forms and MVC to help speed up our development.

I'm an obvious fan-boy of Coolite but the day we dropped our Telerik support I celebrated with a few pints :)

Cheers,

Timothy

RE: Coolite v1 release date

jay — Mon, 01 Feb 2010 09:08:00 GMT

We understand those are different technologies. Before we build a case why should we buy one but not the other we must test them and present our case why do we prefer coolite or telerik.

RE: Coolite v1 release date

randy85253 — Mon, 01 Feb 2010 08:34:02 GMT

another two bits,

State is right. This is a competely different technology. Essentially, Coolite renders ExtJS Javascript from ASP.NET server controls. To see this, do a view source on their examples then cut-n-paste the minified ExtJS code into http://jsbeautifier.org/ (a handy debugging technique Geoffrey taught me). A pure Coolite-page has almost no HTML, it is essentially all JS scripts and CSS.

As an ASP.NET developer, when I first looked at ExtJS I loved what it could do (it is the best RIA technogy out there), but the prospect of coding in javascript was like coding in assembly, or worse VB. And there was no integration with Visual Studion or ASP.NET.

Then I found Coolite, at the time around version 0.7. Not only do they emit the ExtJs from ASP.NET server controls, but they also add some usefull extensions to ExtJS (which is very extensible). They have also provided responsive and quality support through this pre-release phase.

That all said, there is still a learning curve due the fact that it works fundamently differently than Telerik, Infragistics, and the rest. And I think we all would agree that better documentation would be extremely usefully for getting up this curve more quickly.

Also, since Coolite is built on ExtJS, they are largely limited by what that technology can do. The other side of this is that they are able to quickly bring the new ExtJS features to the ASP.NET market as they did reciently when ExtJS released their 3.1.

If I sound like a fan, I am. But know what you are getting into. Its fundamentaly different technology than the other ASP.NET packages out there.

RE: Coolite v1 release date

state — Mon, 01 Feb 2010 06:37:13 GMT

Telerik and ExtJS aren't even the same platform. ExtJS is javascript based with the ability to call the server with Ajax. Coolite is a wrapper (and some very good added functionality) to ExtJS that allows it to work with ASP.NET framework and callbacks (it doesn't use or require AJAX.NET at all).

Telerik are ASP.NET custom controls that work natively with the ASP.NET framework with SOME Javascript.

Look at ExtJS/Coolite has heavy on the Javascript, lighter on the ASP.NET. While Telerik is heavy on the ASP.NET, lighter on the Javascript.

We have used Telerik, Infragistics, and now ExtJS (with Coolite). ExtJS/Coolite is hands-down the best of them all. The easiest of them all and the fastest to get things implemented into the ExtJS/Coolite framework. Not to mention, cheaper.

Just my two bits...

RE: Coolite v1 release date

vvvlad — Mon, 01 Feb 2010 01:45:16 GMT

Hi,
I'm using the community version and I was under impression that the final 1.0 version will be available for everyone on Jan 2010 (this is what the title of this website says), but I understood that it is already available for the Professional license holders.
When will it be released for Community?

Thanks,
Vlad

RE: Coolite v1 release date

michaeld@vipmail.com — Fri, 29 Jan 2010 16:08:13 GMT

I'm in same boat as above. Even a soft-launch zip before the website is ready would provide that much greater edge projecting whether public release goes live with 1.0 or 0.82 in early Feb.

RE: Coolite v1 release date

jay — Fri, 29 Jan 2010 08:18:54 GMT

So Is that mean 1.0 won’t be release until next month? My team want to compare it against Telerik. Our project must start next month. I guess we have to go with Telerik

RE: Coolite v1 release date

Techinox — Fri, 29 Jan 2010 06:30:37 GMT

Thank you.